Wednesday, July 05, 2006

The Pros and Cons of LLMs

I've had several people ask me recently to comment on the merits of LLM degrees, and I think that's an excellent idea. Should you consider one? What are the possible reasons for pursuing an LLM, and what are the real advantages of the degree? This post sets forth my thoughts on the matter.

First, for those who may not know, an LLM is a postgraduate law degree--a law master's degree. In the United States it is typically a one-year course of study at a law school. In some programs you focus your studies on a particular area of law, but often you do not have to.

Second, I should note that my comments are geared toward US JD holders or students who are considering LLMs. Many LLM students in the US are foreign students with law degrees from home country institutions. The advantages of LLMs to them are very different from the advantages for US law students. These advantages include gaining exposure to the US legal system (and thus making themselves more marketable in their home countries); establishing US professional references; and being able to sit for the bar and gain admission to practice in some US jurisdictions like New York. But for US lawyers and JD candidates, the calculus is different. The following are some factors I think should be considered in deciding whether an LLM is for you.

Factor #1: An LLM can be a way to "shop yourself up." If you have a JD from a national law school, then hurray for you. That helps make you more marketable. But if you went to a regional school, an LLM is a way to improve your cache on the market. "I have a JD from Regional State University" generally will carry less weight than "I have an LLM from Harvard/UVA/Chicago." Not that regional schools are bad--many offer superb education. But like it or not, school rankings matter. And because LLM students typically are in class with JD candidates, you are proving, in essence, that you can run with the pack at a national law school. That is definitely worth something.

On the other hand, if you went to a regional school and have good job prospects, an LLM may not be worth the time and expense. Most US lawyers, in fact, do not have LLMs.

Factor #2: Less competitive admissions. It may be easier to get admitted to a given law school as an LLM student than as a JD student. Partly that is because there generally are fewer applicants--but I also think it must have something to do with the fact that LLM applicants' GPAs and LSAT scores are irrelevant for the US News and World Report rankings. So while you may not have been accepted to a particular school as a JD student, you might be able to get in and prove your mettle as an LLM candidate.

Factor #3: "Shopping yourself up," continued: national versus regional law schools. The standard wisdom (stated above) is that the more highly ranked the law school is, the better. Generally, that is true. But what if you want to practice in a particular region of the country? In that case, an LLM from a respected regional powerhouse may serve you as well as an LLM from a truly national school--and be far less expensive, too. My alma mater, Northwestern, is a wonderful law school, but it is not cheap. If you want to practice law in the Deep South, an LLM from Alabama, for example--which is a top-tier school according to US News and World Report--might serve you just as well.

Factor #4: LLMs as a way to get established in a new market. This is really a corollary to factor #3, above. If you are from a law school in, say, the Northwest, and you want to move to another area of the country to practice law, an LLM is a way to go about this. You have a year to develop local contacts, obtain local references from professors at the law school, look for a job, and meet fellow law students who will be your practicing peers in that market. And it shows your determination to relocate--since you've already done it. That last factor should not be underestimated, since firms are typically reluctant to hire new associates whom they think will not stick around.

I am not suggesting that pursuing an LLM is the best way to relocate, and it is certainly not the cheapest. But I have seen this approach used successfully.

Factor #5: An LLM can be a segue into a specialty area of law. The traditional wisdom was that an LLM was useful for someone who wanted to practice tax law, since that field is so complex. That remains true, but with the continued hyper-specialization of law practice, there are other fields in which an LLM can be useful as well. International trade law and environmental law come to mind. An LLM gives you a year to focus on courses in such areas of law. In fact, I have known lawyers who, after practicing for a while, used LLMs as a way to retool and recast themselves as specialty lawyers. That can be a bold move to make--especially if you are doing OK already in practice--but if you are dissatisfied with the direction of your career it is a way to break out of the rut.

Factor #6: An LLM can help you transition from practice to teaching. In order to land a tenure-track teaching job at a US law school, you generally need to have another postgraduate degree besides your JD. Take it from someone who just recently went through the process. Some law schools want candidates with JDs and PhDs, but you want at least an LLM or equivalent degree (a master's degree in something else). Non-tenure-track jobs at law schools may be somewhat less competitive, but there too, an LLM can give you a leg up in terms of credentials.

In addition, pursuing an LLM gives you a year out of the work force in which you can write and publish law review articles. Landing a law teaching job virtually requires an established record of scholarly publication, and it is easier to write when you are in an academic environment than when you are practicing law 14 hours a day. Again, take it from me: I have done it both ways.

A word of caution: I cannot over-emphasize how challenging and competitive the law teaching market is. If you are thinking about this as a career move an LLM may be part of your strategy, but it is not the only part, and certainly is no guarantee of success.

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These are by no means the only factors to consider, and I would be very interested in hearing any thoughts others might have on the matter. Ultimately, I think LLMs can offer enormous potential benefits, but for many the costs will exceed the benefits. The above factors certainly suggest to me that LLMs are most advantageous in fairly narrowly defined circumstances.


Doug said...

Thanks for the post. I recently enrolled in the international legal studies LL.M. program at NYU, and I've been worrying a bit lately about whether it is worth the expense. I decided to apply to the program because (a) though I feel that the education I received at the University of Mississippi was top-notch, I still think it best to "shop myself up"; (b) I would like to relocate to the mid-Atlantic or northeastern US; (c) I want to specialize somewhat (most of my courses deal with issues relating to international trade); and (d) I am interested in teaching at some point in the future. It's good to hear from someone in the know that the LL.M. path can help me in these respects. Thanks for your time.

Darren said...

Is there such a thing as a Sports Law LLM, and if so, what are the positives of that?

Doug said...

Hey Darren, you might want to check out the LL.M. Guide at

I think it has a pretty comprehensive listing of the LL.M. programs out there.

Gregory W. Bowman said...

Doug--Thanks very much for your comments. I am glad you found the post helpful. It sounds like you are on the right track for what you want to do.

Darren--That's a good question about a Sports Law LLM. I don't know of any offhand, but I will ask my colleague, Mike McCann, who runs Sports Law Blog (listed on my blogroll). There are a number of professors across the country who focus on sports law, and pursuing an LLM at one of those schools and taking classes from them might be a way to go. But as I said, I'll forward the question on to Prof. McCann.

Incidentially, the LLM site Doug suggested is a good site, and if you search for "sports" you will find a few LLM programs in the UK, but none in the US specifically dedicated to sports law.

Michael McCann said...
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Michael McCann said...

This is an excellent discussion on the value of an LL.M. Prof. Bowman referenced me in the preceding comment, as we are both on the faculty of Mississippi College School of Law and I have an LL.M. Here are my thoughts:

I received an LL.M. from Harvard three years after I received my J.D. from the University of Virginia. For me, the LL.M. was designed to enhance my chances on the tenure-track law teaching market. As Greg notes in his post, the tenure-track market has become insanely competitive, and it has become increasingly difficult to land a tenure-track job with only a J.D. As a result, many prospective candidates are now turning to advanced degrees, like MBAs or LL.M.s (or, most impressively, Ph.D.s)

But I should note: an LL.M., in and of itself, is probably of little value on the tenure-track; what makes it valuable is if you use your time writing and publishing. And if you plan to use the LL.M. for that end, I would strongly encourage you to take paper-courses, as they will provide you early drafts for prospective law review articles (in contrast, you don't "take" anything in writing away from exam courses). I would also advise you to use the LL.M. to develop personal and scholarly relationships with professors--something that is usually much more difficult to do in a J.D. program. For one, you might make some great friends who will be in your field, and two, those relationships will be very helpful when on the tenure-track market and while writing articles.

In terms of my LL.M. concentration, I mixed sports law, law and psychology, law and economics, and food and drug law. It was probably an unusual mix, but Harvard provides American LL.M. candidates with extraordinary autonomy in selecting courses, and those are the areas that I write about (and, for sports law, also practice). I was also able to develop terrific relationships with top faculty in my fields--Paul Weiler, Jon Hanson, Kip Viscusi, among others. And looking back, it was a year really well spent, particularly since I was lucky enough to land a tenure-track job out of it.

As to the difficulty of getting into an LL.M. program, I have been told that Harvard accepts less than 10% of LL.M. applicants. However, I don't know if that is true, as I have never seen any admissions data, and I'm not sure about other schools. But if you do plan to apply for an LL.M. at a national/"elite" law school, be prepared to spend a lot of time on your application. You'll not only be competing with Americans, you'll also be competing with top people from around the world, including foreign judges, law professors at foreign schools, and the guy or gal who was the valedictorian of a foreign law school. Along those lines, I really couldn't believe how smart and impressive my classmates were--I genuinely felt blessed to be around them.

Please feel free to contact me to discuss further if you like. I would be happy to answer specific questions by e-mail or phone.

Mike McCann
MC School of Law

Gregory W. Bowman said...

Mike, thanks very much for your comments. I should add for the record that I pursued an MA in economics instead of an LLM. Mike already knows this, of course, but others may not. I took that approach because I wanted to focus on economic theory of international trade and integration. It was, in essence, a way for me to look at international trade from a different theoretical perspective. Legal scholarship has moved heavily toward "law and" scholarship (e.g., law and economics, law and philosophy), so this has been enormously helpful for me. Plus, it was incredibly interesting, and thus of intrinsic value.

Mike's comment about the competitiveness of LLMs carries particular weight, since he has been through the LLM process. That being said, it is a different market than the market for JDs. There may be fewer spots, but there is also often less demand, at least at some schools. In any event, Mike is right in saying that particular care and effort should be put into an LLM application to maximize your chances for admission.

Michael McCann said...

Greg, thanks for your response to my comment.

Just to add one point--Darren asked about an LL.M. in sports law. I am not aware of an American law school that offers one. The one law school that does, I believe, is the University of Nottingham in the U.K. Having said that, many LL.M. programs in the United States provide American LL.M. candidates with a great deal of flexibility in selecting courses, so you could concentrate on sports law if the school offered multiple courses that pertain to the topic.

Now, would an LL.M. in sports law actually help you land a sports law job in the United States? I'm not sure. American sports law jobs are very hard to get, and while that is also true abroad, an LL.M. in Europe might carry more weight with sports law employers there.

Personally, I think a scholarly publication on a sports law topic would be more helpful than LL.M. in landing a sports law job. That is how I got into the field--I published a law review article on the law and economic implications of high school players and the NBA Draft and then, by coincidence, Maurice Clarett sued the NFL and its age restriction, and I was invited to join Clarett's legal team; had I not written that article, I never would have been a part of that case. That's not to say that my experience is representative, or that an LL.M. in sports law wouldn't help you, but an LL.M. has to signal to employers that you have a specific expertise, and that signal is probably best made by publishing a piece on a topic that you care deeply about.

Gregory W. Bowman said...

Thanks, Mike. That goes to show how LLMs are not the only way to improve your marketability. As for a sports law LLM abroad, perhaps a UK LLM would be more useful if you want to practice in Europe. There is certainly potential there, but anyone thinking about that should definitely do more homework on the matter before plunging in. For those wanting to practice sports law in the US, my view is that a US LLM would be more useful than a foreign LLM. I obtained my MA abroad, but it was in international economics, so studying abroad was a natural fit. That's not necessarily the case for sports law.

Follow McCann's advice if you decide to pursue a sports law-focused LLM in the US: find a school with a strong curriculum in sports law, and perhaps even a Sports Law Center; talk to the professors involved; and if it feels good, then perhaps it's a good idea.

Anonymous said...

I just stumbled onto this blog. I am a part-time student at a third tier law school (Southwestern SOL in Los Angeles, CA) and I happen to work full-time. My grades in lawschool are average (top-half), so I feel I would really benefit from an LLM from a national university to make me more marketable. Realistically, what are the chances of getting into a national LLM program and should I wait to apply until I have practiced law for a few years or apply immediately? Also, how likely is it that AMLAW 100 firms will possibly now be interested in a candidate with average grades, from a regionally-known program but excellent performance in a national LLM program (assuming I'm accepted)?

Also, from your perspective, how do potential legal employers view students who work full-time (real jobs) and go to law school?

Gregory W. Bowman said...

Anonymous--thanks for your post. You pose some interesting questions. Here are my thoughts in response.

I agree that an LLM could make you more marketable. It certainly would not reduce your marketability. An LLM program would both give you an opportunity to specialize in an area of law and also to possibly generate a higher GPA in that program, which would help your marketability.

As for the chances of getting into a program, that depends on the school in question and on your total application package--meaning your other life experiences and your references/recommendation letters. Some law schools like Yale have LLM programs that are incredibly selective. Others--including some national schools--are less selective. So do not let the fact that you went to a regional school and got average grades deter you from applying to big-name schools.

On a related note, you should emphasize in your applications the fact that you worked full-time while in law school. Many employers and schools will look favorably upon the fact that you have done well in school (top half of your class) while working full-time. That clearly shows dedication and determination on your part.

When should you apply for an LLM course? I'm not sure there is a right or wrong answer to that. My general sense is that working for a few years will not help you much, but nor will it hurt you. The exception might be if working can garner you another strong reference from your latest employer--assuming, of course, that your employer won't be mad if you leave.

You ask whether an LLM might get you in the door of an AMLAW100 firm. The answer is "maybe"--or more accurately, the answer is "it depends on the firm." Some blue chip firms are frankly pretty focused on pedigree, others less so. Try and figure out which are which. Ask around, and look at bios of lawyers at those firms. Also, some big firms hire for specific specialty slots (e.g., customs law, antidumping/countervailing duty law, antitrust), which means that a regional school candidate with that kind of speciality experience or background is more likely to qualify for that spot than for a generalist spot at some other blue chip firm.

One final point: an LLM might or might not get you immediately in the door of an AMLAW100 firm. But it might get you a job at a smaller firm in the field of your choosing. Then, your foot is in the door. It is a general maxim that what matters most on your resume is your most recent experience. So if you have practiced (post-LLM) in an area of law, that is more important than an LLM in that field--and your LLM is more important than your JD degree. So you can work your way up the ladder, step by step.

Good luck, and let me know if you have any other questions.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the very informative blog. You mentioned that you obtained your MA degree abroad in international econ and that it was was a natural fit.

I am considering an LLM in International Trade Law because I would like to specialize in that area of the law and get out of my current field mass torts litigation.

I graduated from University of Pennsylvania undergrad and Temple (bottom Tier 1) Law School. I did ok in law school (top 3rd, journal editor). While it was relatively easy to find jobs, they were only limited to litigation.

You mentioned that you thought that International trade law was one of the areas where a specialty LLM could be useful. Would you also agree that an LLM from a foreign school in International Trade law would be "a natural fit" and thus equally apealling to potential employers?

Some specific schools I am looking at are Univ. of Amsterdam, Univ. of Leiden (both in the Netherlands) and London School of Economics.)

Thanks for any comments!

Gregory W. Bowman said...

Anonymous--thanks for the questions. I responded to your questions in a separate post on July 25, 2006. Greg

Anonymous said...

I presently attending an LLM program in Tax. I am working full time and attending the program on a part time basis. I am not doing this to obtain a better job or relocate etc. And my employer is paying for it. The issue is that I don't have any free time. I work 16 hr days and when I get home the last thing I want to do is open up my books. Since I have no time during the week, I run my errands on the weekend (that is if I'm not working over the weekend). I'm thinking of quitting the program since I took mostly tax classes during my last year in law school and I have a bachelor's in accounting. Many of the classes offered in the program are repetitive for me. Please advise on what I should do, stick with it, or move on.

Anonymous said...


I'm a recent graduate from Computer Engineering with a few years of working experiences in the software and power industry. I recently learned about LLM in intellectual property and patent law, which relates to technology and law practices. It seems that some school allows LLM applicants who do not have a JD or bachelor degree in law. I'm wondering if a bachelor degree in computer engineering plus a few years of working experiences be sufficient enough to make the LLM program.
In addition, I would like to ask:
What are the pros and cons for a computer engineer with LLM.
Would that make you more marketable in bigger law firms?
How's the market for intellectual property law?
What would the salary range be for an engineer with LLM?

Thank you very much for any advices.

Gregory W. Bowman said...

Anonymous 4:59: Thanks for your comment. Your question is whether I think your current educational background is enough to pursue an LLM degree. Ideally, you should have some legal educational background before pursuing an LLM--after all, an LLM is supposed to be a masters program. And that is the way it typically works in the US. There are a number of very good US schools that allow concurrent enrollment in their JD and LLM programs, but typically those programs are for graduates of foreign law schools.

Moreover, regardless of whether you could get into an LLM program, without any legal training whatsoever I would be worried that you would be at a serious disadvantage versus your classmates. This would be especially true if you were in an LLM program that placed you in the same classes as JD students. Studying law is very different from studying other subjects.

The other point to bear in mind is how helpful the degree will be without any undergraduate or JD degree. Is it going to make you competitive in the legal job market? I suppose it depends on what country you are trying to work in, but I think US employers would prefer someone with more than just a standalone LLM.

So all in all, if you are wanting to practice law, I would advise that you first get some formal undergraduate or JD legal education.

As for your other questions, I think the combination of computer engineering and law is an excellent one. There are many rapidly changing developments in technical fields relating to the law, so having a background in such a technical field would put you at an enormous advantage in the legal job market. So instead of being discouraged by my comments about an LLM not being sufficient, I would encourage you to really think about pursuing an LLB or JD degree in law. You may find the LLM is then not necessary, since you will have two very good degrees, and work experience in computer engineering as well. That would make you very marketable. In the US, there is great demand for IP lawyers with scientific or engineering degrees.

As for salaries, that will depend on the particular country and regional market, and also on the size of the law firm.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck with your decision!

Anonymous said...

Professor Bowman, thank you for your quick response. This is really helpful. I really appreciate your advices! I'll try the LSAT and see if law is really for me. =)

Anonymous said...

Hi there...

I came across your comments and find them very useful.

Im very confused at the moment and was hoping to get some suggestions.

I have moved to the US fairly recently(7 months now). I graduated with an LLB in the UK.

Im debating whether to pursue an LLM or write the bar (NY ). Which is more beneficial in terms of employment? I get the feeling that having a foreign LLB and a US LLM is not that favorable with employers...

Are there any other options available?

If anyone has any ideas, i would really appreciate it. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I've been having trouble finding the answer to this question:

Is an LLM a degree you can get in lieu of a JD (for instance, if I want to work in public policy but want a specialized legal training in a niche field without 2 extra years)? Or is an LLM a continuance from a JD?


Gregory W. Bowman said...

An LL.M. is definitely a continuation from a JD. Sometimes LL.M. programs are specialized (e.g., tax, international law), and sometimes they are not. They are also a way for persons who have attended a foreign law school to obtain U.S. legal education and sit for the bar in many states--but they are not in lieu of the initial law degree (which in the US is the JD).

Anonymous said...

hello proffesor Gregory
I am an LLM student in Indiana university the LLM program is offered for the first time in Egypt but all the professors are Americans and from Europe its in international commercial law . any way I still in the begging of this program and until now my grads are very good , but I am not sure this program will help me in any way its a very competitive felid I studied political science before i get my law degree . i just need to know what are my chances to work some where like Europe or Canada or Australia as corporate lawyer

Anonymous said...

I would be interested in any comments or thoughts concerning the reputation of the University of Alabama online tax LLM program beginning fall of 2008. NYU is also offering an online tax LLM in the fall 2008 as well.

Anonymous said...

Ultimate Life Goal: CEO Fortune 1000 Company

Current Credentials: Top 25% from top tier schools for BA and JD on 2 different coasts.

Interests: Bankruptcy, Tax, Administrative Law

Plans: LLM in Bankruptcy, MBA

My question: Which should I pursue first to have the best chances of achieving my goals and to have the best and most flexible contingency plans should my ultimate (and very lofty) goal not work out? Should I not bother with either? Only one? If so, which one?

Pleaded Insanity. said...

I have a question: I been considering doing a LLM abroad, most likely in Hong Kong. I am finishing my JD, and was wondering if anyone has followed that path and what are the pros and cons. I have an offer with one of the Big 4s (no biglaw as my school is regional) but was wondering if doing a LLM abroad would advance one's career.

jamon said...

I thought this was a very informative blog.I just stumbled on it today.

To add to all this, I graduated from University of Pittsburgh with BAS in History and Chinese language. I have been living in Shenzhen for the last four years and just got accepted to Chinese University of Hong Kong's Chinese Business law LLM program. I do not intend to practice law, but I think this degree will "shop myself up" for my future career.(whatever that maybe) I am a manager of an International purchasing office for an American company and see this degree as a way to expand within my field as well as a way out into other career paths.
I believe networking within Hong Kong's Central district Law facility is valuable within itself.

19yr old Indian gal said...


I am from India and am currently pursuing my 3 year of my 5-year law course (here we have integrated the 3 years of undergrad and 3 years of law school and made it into a 5 year program. So, one can join right after high school). I am an English speaking girl who has studied from an English medium school and am very interested in pursuing a LLM course in the United States as I think it will improve my credentials in my home country. I am still very much confused as to which path to take. I would be greatly obliged if you could help me out with the following doubts :-

1. Will the LLM course help me to improve my credentials in my country?

2. What are the best schools for an international student. I have not yet decided the specialization, but I'm leaning towards corporate law (though not sure yet).

3. Is there any way I can get a job in the US after LLM?

4. I am pursuing my course from a recognized university but, it stands somewhere at 16th or 18th position in my country. I currently have 70% marks, which I hope to improve, but my position in my class is 2nd. Will this academic background hinder me from securing a seat in the US? Also, should I gain some work experience and then try for LLM or directly go ahead with it and apply for the 2011 program (the year of my graduation).

Could you kindly help me with it since, I have read your other posts and you seem to be a great guide. It would be lovely to see a separate post on LLM for international students as well, as many of my friends (and I mean are craving for that and I'm sure they will be helped enormously by it.

Anonymous said...

Basically, I wanted to comment and pose the questions to other JD students:does it bother you that international LLMs basically 'cut the line' and are able to skip the 3-yr. JD program, go to a top LLM school, and w/ that, go work at a top firm in the US (and they do!), AND have the ability to take the Bar with the rest of us who had to do it all from scratch?

I know many foreign students who 'BS' their way into our LLM programs w/ fake things on their resumes, being that they have limited experience in their countries and are lawyers simply b/c in their countries a BA degree in law is enough to be a lawyer. They also tell me that cheating is very easy in their schools, so there goes the 'grades' factor.
They claim that they are involved in all these cases back at home, but the truth is they exagerate their resumes.

Foreign systems are so different than the US, that US employers and schools must take the foreign student's word for it. But it's so easy for them to basically skip the 'madness' of the JD program, LSATs, the ranking nightmares, the 'first year hell', just do a year of 'specialized law', and work at a top firm in the US! (passing the bar is another issue, and I give props if they could do it. But even before that, many LLM's get the opportunity to get experience at top firms after their "LLM" is done, even if not admitted to practice. Even if this is considered an internship, what would many JD student not give to get that same experience at a top firm? Hell, I'd work for free! I'd learn the laws of any country you want me to!)

They should at least have another year of schooling in the US, and compete like the rest of us, not as "LLM, the special category students" who have their own job interviews and allocated spots for work in the firms (in the interest, I assume, of diversity.) If the student wants to go back to their countries, fine. But to stay here, I think they should pay all the dues like all others!

Even if these students worked hard in their countries before their LLM, hey... , we all worked hard in undergrad, and had to take LSATs, etc... this is the AMERICAN market! It's very competitive for all, and
foreign students shouldn't be given a hand at all!

what do you guys think?

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Anonymous said...

With respect Anonymous, if your point is that the LLM students were able to get jobs in New York that you wanted but were not able to get, then your accusations mask what is probably a bigger problem: your grades (since, generally speaking, ceteris paribus, most law firms in the US understandably would rather staff their US offices with a JD student rather than an LLM student for obvious reasons). Many of the LLM students either get jobs because of previous work in their respective home offices (in which case they would have proven themselves elsewhere), or because they got generally above-average grades in their LLM year (in which case they have proven themselves here). To put it down to diversity is not only offensive, but clearly mischaracterizes the US law firm model (check the diversity statement of any law firm and show me where it says their diversity includes diversity of nationalities).

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